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38XO
Apr 30, 2020 7:33:59 GMT -5
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Post by rlazar on Apr 30, 2020 7:33:59 GMT -5
After a year long process of putting a down payment on a 2020 38XO, having to then sell two boats along with a number of other milestones we are weeks away from taking our delivery.
Like I did on my 32X , I am already planing some upgrades and will post as I make them like I did on the old ROF.
As it stands now we had the factory do a few customizations for us during the build. We added USB ports on either side of every bed and couch. We also extended the lower aft stateroom couch and made the back rests removable so a full size adult could sleep there. I will post pics once we take delivery.
Excited for this boat due to its size, type of boat and outboards. Strange time however due to COVID-19 and all that goes with that.
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38XO
Apr 30, 2020 8:36:17 GMT -5
Post by tc33obx on Apr 30, 2020 8:36:17 GMT -5
Rlazar,
Congrats on the. new 38XO. That is a sweet boat. I toured through one when I was making the deal on my new 33obx. If this downsizing experiment for me doesn't work out over the longer run and move from the shore back to the bay during the summers down the line, that model may very well be in my move back up path! I also love the 38SAV. So it remains to be seen. Love to hear what you think once you take delivery and get to use her a bit out on the water. Congrats again.
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38XO
May 18, 2020 14:38:22 GMT -5
Post by rlazar on May 18, 2020 14:38:22 GMT -5
Took delivery of our 38XO this past Sat. As expected we found a number of minor things being a new boat. Only thing that was not working at all was the stove top but the dealer is looking into that, they think it may be a loose wire. Biggest quality control issue I think are all the missing magnets or misaligned magnets on the window shades. 1/2 of them are missing or don't work so that must have fallen through the cracks. A few cosmetic things as well, all will be fixed etc. Next weekend we will be living on the boat for 3 days so we should see what else we can discover. In terms of electronics and mechanical stuff: The electronic remote battery switches will take some getting used to. BLUE indicates off, RED on. Initially these remote battery switches didn't work at all from the helm. Either all off (blue) or all on (red) resulted in all my DC equipment having power. In other words, there was no way to turn off the DC batteries (like flipping the house batter switch off). 3 service people looked at it and could not figure it out. I solved this one myself as it turned out the remote switch breakers in the bilge were set to bypass the remote helm switches and set to on. Meaning 12vdc power was on and the remote switches were disabled. Once I set correctly, the helm remote battery switches worked as expected. Surprised to find out my boat has TWO massive house batteries. I thought it would come with one as you get the 2nd if you have a seakeeper ( which I do not). So I have 5 batteries, 3 starting and 2 large house. Yamaha/Seastar joystick operation. This was not a responsive and does not work the same way as my Mercury Axis joystick. The Merc was more responsive and more intuitive. I only have a very little time on the seastar so it will take more getting used to and practice. According to the docs there is a concept of primary and secondary movement. So moving the joystick forward then twisting is not the same as twisting then moving forward. The Axius system does not work like that at all. Had some trouble with the bluetooth on the Fusion and had to shutdown and start up in order to get it to work again. Could not figure out how to connect via fusion wifi either. 4 Sharp smart tv's all work well. Nice they are all the same and use the same remote (we have 4 remotes). We had the factory install extra USB ports so there is one on each side of every bed and couch. I am so glad I did this. No matter where you are sitting or laying down, there is a usb port next to you. We also had the factory modify the lower aft settie. Instead of having 3 drawers at the end, we have one drawer and the couch now extends all the way to the closet. The backrests are removable as well. This means a full size adult can sleep there. The mod came out great. I'll post pics next week. I will be getting some more sea time this upcoming weekend where I will learn about the autopilot and electronic anchor modes. I will also get more time on the joystick. The joystick operation overall is the part I'm nervous about. There are only 3 props in the water with 3 blades each. That's not as much bite as the dual props with twins on my last boat. The boat also has a larger side profile which isn't going to help in the wind. One last thing... I was going to install the Siren Marine remote monitor unit myself. I did on my last boat as well. The initial connection requires connecting directly to the batteries, something that used to be simple. On the 38XO there are NO accessories connected to the batteries at the battery lugs themselves. The only wires attached to each battery are the massive +/- wires. I see negative bus terminal blocks all over the place but I don't see how/where to connect any positive wires especially if they need to connect to the battery directly (can't be turned off) More to come
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38XO
May 18, 2020 15:52:50 GMT -5
Post by tc33obx on May 18, 2020 15:52:50 GMT -5
Rlazer,
Very nice write up. I appreciate you taking the time, and congratulations on your delivery. Looking forward to seeing your pictures when you have them.
I've been using my 33 OBX for about a month and I can say that the Joystick is the biggest disappointment to me. I'm coming from the Cadillac of Joystick operations as my previous boat has a Volvo IPS implementation and between the range of motion of the IPS drives vs the outboard's range of motion, along with the clunkiness of the shifting on the outboards, I'm very disappointed in the Joystick system. Maybe I still need more time at the helm to figure it out (as I was unaware of the primary and secondary operations you stated above) so I'll keep an eye on that moving forward. Also, the engines tend to rev longer than I want with a given turn. It's like the revs are delayed and kick in long after I turned the joystick to ask for movement, and then come on far too hard with too much RPM and hold longer than I want. Annoying.
All I can say is that I'm very happy I added the bow thruster to the boat. It makes the entire situation with the clunkiness of the Joystick somewhat manageable. I'm pretty sure that without the bow thruster there is no way I coudl really get the joystick to move the entire boat sideways easily. It starts going in that direction, but the rear heavily proceeds the bow. I'm sure part of it is the location of the outboards vs where the IPS units were on my 4460, as well as the range of motion the IPS units had verses the Outboards, but overall I'm disappointed by the Joystick.
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Post by rlazar on May 18, 2020 20:17:50 GMT -5
More on the Optimus 360 joystick. A few months back when I was reading up on the joystick before I got my boat I glanced over the joystick docs but figured how hard could it be especially since I was very used to the Axius system. Push the stick in any direction and twist etc and the boat responds.
So flash forward to my sea trail on the 38XO. When taking the boat out of the slip then having to turn or do some complex maneuvers I couldn’t get the boat out go where I wanted. It was frustrating and a bit scary. Coming back into the slip I also had trouble and needed to use the bow thruster. Keep in mind there was no current and only light wind.
Then I went back and actually looked at the manual in more detail. Not only is there a concept of a primary and secondary commands there are other things to know as well. There are 3 primary movements, forward/reverse, sideways and rotation. It is recommend to return to the joystick center position when switching between primary movements. Also there is a built in pause when changing primary movements unless moving from forward to reverse.
There is a reference card in my doc that goes over how it works and what the recommendations are. There is definitely something I’m going to have to think about when docking with the joystick until it becomes second nature. The good news is I’m hoping with my new knowledge on how this Optimus system works I’ll be able to control the boat much better.
I’m hoping to be able to test this all out more this weekend.
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38XO
May 18, 2020 21:49:52 GMT -5
Post by tc33obx on May 18, 2020 21:49:52 GMT -5
Sounds like I need to pull the manual out. I just assumed it would be as intuitive as the Volvo IPS system. I've been slowing down my movements and things have been better, but clearly those moves need to be a lot more deliberate. Oh live and learn. Thanks for the post and thoughtful reply.
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Post by omarf4 on May 18, 2020 22:40:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the update. Like you, I took delivery of my new 33 express and working through the minor issues. The biggest issue was a leaking freshwater hose barb in the toilet. Easy fix, pain to remove toilet and find the leak.
I must say, with every new boat, the initial punch list always existed but once you get them all addressed, you’ll be good to go. Post pics when you get a chance.
Btw, the Yamaha joystick does take more time to get used to. The Volvo joystick is more forgiving but eventually you get used to the Yamaha stick. Trim the engines up a bit so that the prop reverse water flow is going under the boat. The prop exhaust always caused the prop to lose bite in reverse on those v6 4.2L engines as it agitates the smooth water flow then pushes the water directly to the transom. Counterbalance effect.
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38XO
May 29, 2020 22:12:01 GMT -5
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Post by rlazar on May 29, 2020 22:12:01 GMT -5
Update on joystick docking on my 38XO. Once armed with the knowledge on how to use the Seastar/Yamaha joystick, I was able to maneuver much Nette when docking. Having said that moving the boat sideways didn’t see to work right along with position & heading hold. Marina will update the software and recalibrate. I am however much happier overall than the first time I had the boat out.
More updates to come.
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38XO
Jun 2, 2020 21:43:58 GMT -5
Post by krause on Jun 2, 2020 21:43:58 GMT -5
Rlazar, I purchased the 33 xo earlier this year and had the same challenges. I have had much better success trimming the engines up a bit but still utilize the bow thruster in conjunction with the joystick. Appreciate you sharing tips on the use of the joystick. Great boat man, absolutely love the XO and I hope you and your family enjoy.
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38XO
Jun 8, 2020 10:52:05 GMT -5
Post by rlazar on Jun 8, 2020 10:52:05 GMT -5
Update on my 38XO Yamaha SeaStar Joystick operation. It turns out it's not calibrated correctly. Trying to go sideways works for just a bit then the boat spins. Position & Heading hold is not able to keep its heading after a few minutes. So while I'm getting more used to how this particular joystick works, it in fact does need to be re-calibrated. The tech/expert confirmed this when he sea trailed my boat the other day. He is waiting for a calm day to do the calibrations. He said that the calibration is not really done at the factory in the test holding tank, they just verify the joystick works. This really needs to be done in the field by the dealer.
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krause
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38XO
Jun 9, 2020 20:46:20 GMT -5
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Post by krause on Jun 9, 2020 20:46:20 GMT -5
Two weeks after delivery they did the calibration on a calm day. Works like a charm now. You will see ideal performance after the calibration. It truly is a game changer for docking. Even over 20+ knot winds I can make the boat go sideways using boost. Let us know how it goes.
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38XO
Jun 10, 2020 8:47:32 GMT -5
Post by tc33obx on Jun 10, 2020 8:47:32 GMT -5
Krause and rlazer,
With your Optimus setups and the Yamaha's after configuration was done completely, do you still get the surging of power from the engines. I come from the Volvo Joystick with the IPS setups and it was so fluid and I could very easily control the power delivery from the engines to the props. With the Optimus setup it seems the power delivery is delayed and then holds longer than I would want. The shifting is also a big clunky. I have an Optimus person coming out to look at the error code the port engine threw last week, but hasn't happened again. I'm wondering if I push him to calibrate the stick again.
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38XO
Jun 10, 2020 8:52:56 GMT -5
Post by rlazar on Jun 10, 2020 8:52:56 GMT -5
Krause and rlazer, With your Optimus setups and the Yamaha's after configuration was done completely, do you still get the surging of power from the engines. I come from the Volvo Joystick with the IPS setups and it was so fluid and I could very easily control the power delivery from the engines to the props. With the Optimus setup it seems the power delivery is delayed and then holds longer than I would want. The shifting is also a big clunky. I have an Optimus person coming out to look at the error code the port engine threw last week, but hasn't happened again. I'm wondering if I push him to calibrate the stick again. I am still waiting to have mine re-calibrated. However, I would push to have yours done again. From what I was told, the Regal factory does not calibrate the units, they only verify it works. This means if yours was done, it would have been done by your dealer. Maybe find out if they did that? Also, as in my case apparently it was not done right or sufficiently. I know they say it has to be calm with little to no wind when they do it.
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38XO
Jun 10, 2020 11:32:50 GMT -5
Post by rlazar on Jun 10, 2020 11:32:50 GMT -5
My service tech says he just received the seastar profile for my specific boat that Seastar and Regal engineers have program for my boat. He is going to load that today and test it out. This is different that manually congifuring the boat. Hopfully it works.
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krause
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38XO
Jun 12, 2020 19:06:01 GMT -5
Post by krause on Jun 12, 2020 19:06:01 GMT -5
Krause and rlazer, With your Optimus setups and the Yamaha's after configuration was done completely, do you still get the surging of power from the engines. I come from the Volvo Joystick with the IPS setups and it was so fluid and I could very easily control the power delivery from the engines to the props. With the Optimus setup it seems the power delivery is delayed and then holds longer than I would want. The shifting is also a big clunky. I have an Optimus person coming out to look at the error code the port engine threw last week, but hasn't happened again. I'm wondering if I push him to calibrate the stick again. I am still waiting to have mine re-calibrated. However, I would push to have yours done again. From what I was told, the Regal factory does not calibrate the units, they only verify it works. This means if yours was done, it would have been done by your dealer. Maybe find out if they did that? Also, as in my case apparently it was not done right or sufficiently. I know they say it has to be calm with little to no wind when they do it. They initially used the 33XO stock profile but they ended up doing a manual configuration because they were not satisfied with the performance. I wish I could have participated in the configuration because than I could tailor it to my preference. I know they can tune the delay, saw a video of a guy changing the delay based on conditions. I will look to find that. As I get more used to the system I actually like a little bit of delay. causes me to pause. I am pretty happy with the performance, spent about 2 hours on the transient docks in my marina and it left me feeling confident. 2 things worked well for me, utilize the bow thruster in conjunction with the joystick. It has a tendency to move the stern first so when going sideways I make sure to give it a tap or two with the bow thruster. I trim the engines up a bit when utilizing the joystick which improved performance and actually make the initial commands more fluid in terms of a delay. Going sideways I also almost always use burst mode, I do find myself initiating a command and going the opposite way on occasion but I chalk that up to my inexperience with the system. Big test tomorrow when I head to a friends marina and they absolutely have the worst dock in the marina for me. Tight dock, you have to bow in with a port side tie up. My boat will have 8 fenders on it and hopefully my wife will come through with a smooth tie up. It's never the captains fault right???
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