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Jun 14, 2020 8:20:10 GMT -5
Post by tc33obx on Jun 14, 2020 8:20:10 GMT -5
krause,
I'm starting to get used to mine as well. I'm learning to use the stick counting on the delay since I now know how long it is and how long the engines run before backing down when I release it. I'm still very happy that I got the bow thruster though as the performance is nothing like the IPS system on my 4460. It's good, but not IPS good and I think the main reason is twofold, one the motors/drives are too close together on the 33 and, two having the duo props on the IPS boat rally helped move the boat with low speed rotations. I'm interested to see when I finally get my new Farrow Props how they may help this situation since they showed much better performance in low speed rotations over the stock Yamaha props in the test that BoatTest did.
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38XO
Jun 16, 2020 14:28:29 GMT -5
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Post by rlazar on Jun 16, 2020 14:28:29 GMT -5
krause, I'm starting to get used to mine as well. I'm learning to use the stick counting on the delay since I now know how long it is and how long the engines run before backing down when I release it. I'm still very happy that I got the bow thruster though as the performance is nothing like the IPS system on my 4460. It's good, but not IPS good and I think the main reason is twofold, one the motors/drives are too close together on the 33 and, two having the duo props on the IPS boat rally helped move the boat with low speed rotations. I'm interested to see when I finally get my new Farrow Props how they may help this situation since they showed much better performance in low speed rotations over the stock Yamaha props in the test that BoatTest did. I’m expecting improvement in joystick handling with the Sharrow props as well. One thing however that concerns me is if we will need to reprogram / calibrate the joystick once we get the new props. I was looking at the optimus 360 programming guide and it does say if the props are changed the system would need to be reprogrammed. |
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Jun 16, 2020 15:59:38 GMT -5
Post by tc33obx on Jun 16, 2020 15:59:38 GMT -5
I guess that can be expected. I did find a guy down here at the jersey shore that is certified in the Optimus system. He's going to take a look at my boat after checking for the "program/settings" for a 33 OBX.
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38XO
Jun 16, 2020 20:53:22 GMT -5
Post by krause on Jun 16, 2020 20:53:22 GMT -5
Docked like a champ. Had a great weekend, 3-5 foot on the way there (40 minute trip usually takes 25). Next day we had 5-7, with peaks @ 9 feet. Needless to say the boat remained at the Marina for a few days while the weather got better. I will never buy another boat without a joystick. Hope you all get your configuration right, it makes it so much easier. I boated a lot with my Dad as a young man but only purchased my first boat 4 years ago. Upgraded to the new 33 XO and I couldn't be happier. Actually put more hours on the boat so far this year than I did on my 28 express after owning it for 2 seasons.
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krause
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38XO
Jun 16, 2020 21:00:37 GMT -5
Post by krause on Jun 16, 2020 21:00:37 GMT -5
krause, I'm starting to get used to mine as well. I'm learning to use the stick counting on the delay since I now know how long it is and how long the engines run before backing down when I release it. I'm still very happy that I got the bow thruster though as the performance is nothing like the IPS system on my 4460. It's good, but not IPS good and I think the main reason is twofold, one the motors/drives are too close together on the 33 and, two having the duo props on the IPS boat rally helped move the boat with low speed rotations. I'm interested to see when I finally get my new Farrow Props how they may help this situation since they showed much better performance in low speed rotations over the stock Yamaha props in the test that BoatTest did. TC33OBX, Hit it on the head man. I use the bow thruster with the joystick. Nice balance of that instant bow thrust coupled with the joystick delay. Getting the hang of it. Trim the engine up a bit also improved the reaction. I use the rotation of the joystick to position myself but when I need to move the bow, I always go thruster. I will have to check out those props, you are right the engines are really close. Thanks for sharing that. Do they reduce top speed? What is the trade off? While I love the Optimus, I agree the IPS system is amazing. My friend has the new 38 Grand Coupe and its an amazing system. |
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38XO
Jun 17, 2020 8:23:10 GMT -5
Post by tc33obx on Jun 17, 2020 8:23:10 GMT -5
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38XO
Jun 19, 2020 15:16:02 GMT -5
Post by rlazar on Jun 19, 2020 15:16:02 GMT -5
okay..here is the update. The file from Regal and Seastar would not upload to my system. They sent a new file and I was at the boat when they tried to upload, and again it didn't work. Being a tech computer guy myself, I stepped in, looked at the install manual with my service tech and we modified the format/layout of the files on the usb drive to match the docs. Then it loaded!!! We did a sea trial and it does seem better. However given the size of the boat ( wind profile and weight) and given the seastar runs turns two props (port and starboard... center does not engage) when using the joystick, there are limitations for sure. Not to mention these are 3 blade props that have even less byte in reverse. The initial joystick config worked poorly, the manual config worked better and the upload of the config file specific to my boat works a step better than that. I think at this point I will just need to get used to it and the limits and use the joystick with the bow thruster. All this will change again next spring when I have the Sharrow props which will give me more bite both in forward and reverse but I'm looking forward to test those.
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Jun 21, 2020 9:40:47 GMT -5
Post by tc33obx on Jun 21, 2020 9:40:47 GMT -5
Surprised that the center engine doesn't engaged at all to help out. I would think it would engage on the reverse side to help balance the forward and reverse thrust. I think that is what I see happening on the Mercury side. It will be interesting to see what Regal does with the new Yamaha Helm Master setup. I'm hoping the new boat they announce in July with the twin 425s on it (saw them in the preview) is outfitted with Helm Master and not Optimus SeaStar. I would think with the way the steering and everything is electronic and integrated into the 425s the only option would be a Yamaha system. That would give the owners "one throat to choke" when things don't seem to go right.
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38XO
Jun 21, 2020 14:23:50 GMT -5
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Post by rlazar on Jun 21, 2020 14:23:50 GMT -5
Surprised that the center engine doesn't engaged at all to help out. I would think it would engage on the reverse side to help balance the forward and reverse thrust. I think that is what I see happening on the Mercury side. It will be interesting to see what Regal does with the new Yamaha Helm Master setup. I'm hoping the new boat they announce in July with the twin 425s on it (saw them in the preview) is outfitted with Helm Master and not Optimus SeaStar. I would think with the way the steering and everything is electronic and integrated into the 425s the only option would be a Yamaha system. That would give the owners "one throat to choke" when things don't seem to go right. I just watched a Persuit doc with triple Yamahas. All 3 worked independently. I spoke to the owner and he has helm master. Seastar cost less because it ties the center to one motor with a tie bar and operates as two. Also the center does not go into gear when using the stick. Either way helm master has more control no question. I watched all 3 moving on their own. It’s not like I was given a choice but I wish I could have gotten the other system. |
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Jun 21, 2020 18:24:58 GMT -5
Post by tc33obx on Jun 21, 2020 18:24:58 GMT -5
Rlazar,
Actually, I kind of complained to my Regal Dealer about this Optimus vs Helmaster situation. When I had my port engine Optimus error which I cleared and it hasn't come back, I went back to the dealer and they talked to Yamaha who pointed at Optimus. Then if Optimus comes out and finds an issue with the motor, they will then point back as Yamaha. Hence my complaint about "one throat to choke" when having issues. I told my dealer if I would have known about the Optimus/Yamaha issue, I would have paid extra to get a Helmaster setup on my 33 OBX rather than deal with this situation. Now that I know, if I go for a trade in on the 33 OBX at the end of the season, I'm going to push that I want a full Yamaha system and Helm master.
With that said, I have gotten much better with the Optimus Joystick, but like I said above, I'm still happy I got the bow thruster. It just makes the whole situation easier to handle. So I'm becoming less and less enamored with trading the 33 in at the end of the year even though I have a great deal already inked for the trade. What I really wanted was the 38 SAV but it wasn't available or announced when I placed the order for the 33. If I actually do go forward with a trade for the 38 SAV, I'm going to push for the Helmsaster system there through and through.
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