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Post by 4160regal on Apr 14, 2020 11:00:41 GMT -5
Hi all. We are looking at a 2001 4160 w/450 Cummins. Any advice/thoughts/recommendations would be greatly appreciated, especially how the boat does in rough waters, 3-5 feet chop.
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Post by tc33obx on Apr 14, 2020 12:51:56 GMT -5
I pretty sure the 4160 and the 4460 have the same hull. I had a 2006 4460 for 7 years. Loved the boat for the layout and efficiency (I had the IPS500s), but I wouldn't say the 4460 is a white water boat. It's not a bad boat in rough chop, it's solid and for the most part rides dry and does well in following seas of 2 or 3 feet or even higher, however in anything above 3 feet going directly into the chop you really need to back down on the throttle. I think part of the reason is that her front entry is flat enough that she tends to bang the bigger stuff rather than cut through it. It's got an 18 degree dead rise at the stern, but that flattens a bit as you move forward. It also has a hull flattening that happens around starts around midships and moves forward to just shy of where the hull rises to form the bow. I think this is designed to push the water out and have her ride dryer, but due to the flattening she does tend to bang a little bit in chop above 2 or 3 feet especially when you are taking that chop at a 45 degree angle. Also if the wind is blowing from the sides in water like that the boat will tend to get a little wet.
Outside of that, it's a solid boat and well built. You aren't in danger in water above 3 feet it's just not the most comfortable ride. My buddies 42 Sundance's rides much better in the really rough stuff than my Regal did. I would always be cruising faster than him when it was 2 feet or less, and much more efficiently, but when it got over that he could maintain a faster clip than I could comfortably. I think part of it is that more of the weight in the Sundance is forward. For instance the gas tanks are both forward of the engines on the 42 Dancer, where on my 4460 they were right and left of the engines. Additionally his Cummins were much further forward compared to my Volvos and his transmissions were at the front of those engines, where my IPS units were pretty much at the stern.
Your 4160 may ride a little better than my 4460 in the chop since it's probably V-Drive and the Cummins are probably heavier than the Volvos, but that is only a guess on my part.
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Post by gofast24 on Apr 15, 2020 9:38:43 GMT -5
Agree, as we are on a inland lake haven't really experienced much 3' + chop. Love the design and ride (if weather gets really bad just 15/20 minutes back to covered dock) . Have VP 8.1 L gassers, ZF / Hurth V drives (bullit proof) don't really need diesel efficiency on a inland lake so happy with th VP gassers irregardless of fuel consumption difference. We are at approx. 1000 hours on the engines and no problems other than normal maintenance, oil/filters, etc. Have repaired/replaced most ancillary items but the expensives stuff (engines/transmissions/gen set) doing great! Key here is dont forego recommended maintenance to save a few dollars, you will end up paying dearly in the long run.Hope every one is safe, quite a dilemma we are going thru with the COVID 19!!
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Post by goldenarch on Apr 16, 2020 9:38:44 GMT -5
I have a 2006 4460 with VP TAMD75 diesels (480 HP), and I certainly agree with Tom and gofast. The 4160/4260/4460 are all the same hull, and a very capable boat. You are right on when you are looking for the bigger Cummins. We have a 4260 at our yacht club with the smaller Cummins diesels, I believe around 300 HP, and it is hard pressed to get up on a plane with several people on board.
As Tom mentioned, any Express Cruiser will have some difficulty in 3-5 ft. seas as a planing hull does not do as well, but just a matter of slowing down, using the trim tabs to screw the bow down a little and enjoy the ride.
If you have any specific questions, Tom and gofast are Regal 4160/4460 experts and I have learned a great deal from them...ask away.
All the best,
David
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Post by gofast24 on Apr 16, 2020 9:51:44 GMT -5
Thanks goldenarch for the thumbs up. Not expert but have a lot of experience in our great 2001 4160  |
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Post by tc33obx on Apr 16, 2020 13:15:50 GMT -5
I also appreciate the comments Goldenarch. I'm more than willing to help folks out with 4X60 questions.
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Post by gofast24 on Apr 17, 2020 11:06:31 GMT -5
Hi all. We are looking at a 2001 4160 w/450 Cummins. Any advice/thoughts/recommendations would be greatly appreciated, especially how the boat does in rough waters, 3-5 feet chop. I have posted a service/maintenance doc a couple of times, if you are interested in what we have gone thru in the last 6 years look it up. I you cant find it, I can re post it. (Pretty detailed (I am a little anal in keeping track of everything done to her) |
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Post by tc33obx on Apr 17, 2020 13:32:56 GMT -5
I can say that GoFast's documentation is second to none, as I've looked through it, it is a very good look at some of the things you'll need to work through on a 4x60 over a few years of ownership.
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Post by gofast24 on Apr 20, 2020 10:11:08 GMT -5
Tom, thanks for the thumbs up! I have added a few more items to it but not really significant, just little stuff> Big question I have and cant really get answer to is after 20 years on the engines coolant (antifreeze mix) (engines have approx. 1000 hours on all of them) I really think all 3 engines (propulsion and Westerbeke gen set) need a full flush and coolant replacement! If I was ever asked this question I would say it needs to be done ASAP? As I am no longer able to get into engine room have to push my sons to do it his year, so it has been haunting me for a couple of years! Anyone out there with amy info on coolant flush/change intervals?
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Post by tc33obx on Apr 20, 2020 19:52:21 GMT -5
I had my IPS/500s D6 Diesels antifreeze tested at the end of each season and when it called for it I have them change it. I never did it myself so I can't help as to how it would be done. I'm in the Maryland area though, so it needs to be changed regularly to survive the winter. Down in Ga, you might be able to go further, but did you really mean you've been running the same antifreeze for 20 years? I've never heard of that. I guess. you regularly top it off maybe?
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Post by gofast24 on Apr 21, 2020 10:14:03 GMT -5
Yes, same coolant for 20 years (shame on me) . Never have had to top it off, coolant overflow bottles still up to full mark hot/cold and nice green color (dont think th color means much) but not sure if previous owner ever had it flushed/changed?. Yes, the antifreeze test will tell you what temp the coolant/antifreeze mix is good to to prevent freezing but not the condition of the other properties that coolants also protect from. Will push sons to do coolant flush/change this summer if we can find a place open to buy antifreeze ? Guess that is the only item I havent approached over the 7 years of ownership! My bad |
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