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Post by alexusfl on Feb 1, 2021 11:10:48 GMT -5
Hello All,
I'm looking to buy a Regal 42 SC (years 2011 - 2015). Most of them have the standard IPS 400, some do have IPS 500.
I spoke with one of the dealers who steered me away from IPS 400 saying that it's not adequate for that boat and I need IPS 500. I would love to buy a boat with 500 but I don't come across of them often.
Does anyone have any experience with IPS 400 with Regal 42 SC? Does it feel underpowered? He also mentioned owners on 42 SC with IPS 400 have to replace the motors as they just don't live long as they so much under pressure.
I'm also looking at a few Regal 46 SC with IPS 500 (46 is heavier than 42 by about 3-4 K lbs). Any issues with that setup?
Thank you in advance!
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Post by tc33obx on Feb 9, 2021 17:35:38 GMT -5
Alexusfl,
I owned a fiberglass hard top 4460 Regal with IPS500s (2006) and the setup was adequate for that boat's size. I know some 46s which is the follow on boat to the 4460 can come with IPS 600s, but I generally I think they ere offered with IPS 500s. The challenge I see is that the Regal 46 sport couple is about 2k to 3k lbs heavier than the 4460 with an IPS setup. My 4460 cruised easily between 24 knots and 27 knots with revs between 2950 and 3180. I normally never ran it above 3200 though, and most of the time kept it around 3150 or so. With good seas and not too much current at the bow the boat would run at the high end of that range at 3150. Burning just under a gallon per nautical mile. If the current was heavy at the bow or rougher seas you'd be closer to 24 knots. I think with the extra weight the 46 will be slower than that, or you'll have to run the IPS500s at a higher rev to get the similar cruise characteristics. Doing that gets them closer to their 3500 Rev max which isn't always the best. I think you probably shouldn't run IPS 500s consistently above 3200 Rpm or you'll shorten the life of the engines.
Consequently, I would not buy an IPS400 boat myself in either the 42 or the 46. But from my perspective I'd make the call based on my experience with the IPS 500s in the 4460 I owned. The engine is basically the same D6 block but the issue could be in order to get to decent cruising range with the IPS400s you need to push that D6 block a revs much closer to the IPS400 3300 redline. The IPS 500 on the same block is 3500 so in my case 3150 is a much more comfortable Rev for the 3500 redline IPS500 vs the 3300 Redline IPS 400s.
With that said if you haven't had an IPS boat before, there are a ton of positives with it, mostly around handling and being comfortable around other boats and docks even in the wind. Which always helps your confidence and relationships with your crew. Back in 2012 I went from an I/O boat with twins to the IPS setup and that move made boating all that more comfortable for me and my family, so much so that my wife swore by the IPS setup. However a good captain inboard setup with the correct props can surely be just as good. However, the thing you don't get with the inboard setup with similar horsepower is the performance or the fuel economy. My 4460 was always about .2 to .3 per gallon better than my buddies Sea Ray 42 Sundancer which was pretty much the same weight.
The flip side is an IPS boat does have a bit more maintenance. My annual service for my IPS setup was about $1000 to $2000 more than what my buddy would pay for his SeaRay. I paid a qualified IPS Dealer to do the maintenance so some of that is simply a premium due to that. And even if I ended up doing the service myself on oil changes, the IPS Oil alone is about $700 I believe for both drives on a full change and the boat needs to be pulled to do it. I also had a couple seal issues with my one of my IPS drives that caused a full pull of the boat and seal replacements that weren't cheap.
However, the newer IPS' are just as bullet proof as the V-Drive Inboards and they have improved the seals and such that you probably won't see issues like that since my boat was a IPS-A boat (first gen IPS drives).
Long winded reply, but the short story is I would steer clear of the IPS 400s if you can and either find a 42 sport coupe with IPS500s or a 46 with either IPS600s or 500s.
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Post by gofast24 on Feb 10, 2021 12:00:28 GMT -5
Wow 1 gallon PER HOUR? obviously diesels! Working backwards from 1 gallon per hour you indicated (7.2 lbs/ gallon for #2 diesel) and BSFC formula for typical great efficient diesel as 0.4 lbs/HP/hour that would mean your engines are running at approx. 15/20 HP? Do you mean each engine and how did you determine the 1 gallon / hour? Fuel gage? Thanks
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Post by tc33obx on Feb 10, 2021 12:22:46 GMT -5
Sorry should have said just under a "gallon per nautical mile". Corrected the post above. On my boat the Volvo Electronics provided the specific fuel burn metrics
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Post by gofast24 on Feb 11, 2021 10:46:07 GMT -5
LOL, OK, saw corrected post and that your VP electronics provided the burn rate Thanks for kind reply! Never know what I am getting myself into ?
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Post by alexusfl on Feb 11, 2021 16:08:38 GMT -5
Thank you tc33obx!
I see you now own an outboard boat. Congrats!
This is really great and valuable information, as I'm moving from a single sterndrive (Sea Ray 260 Sundeck, Bravo 3 paired with Mercruiser 350) to the IPS-powered boat. A big change for me!
Will definitely now avoid IPS 400s.
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Post by mdj67 on Feb 12, 2021 9:36:02 GMT -5
Excellent reply tc33obx - thanks for the details!
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Post by sgilbert on Feb 12, 2021 13:45:42 GMT -5
Question---saw a Ranger Tug ad that they had twin Volvo IPS 450's attached to Volvo diesels. What are 450's??
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Post by tc33obx on Feb 12, 2021 18:02:16 GMT -5
Here is the D6 range this is directly from the Volvo Penta site, so it's today's range. So the IPS 450 is a configuration between the 400 and 500, same block, probably different size turbos/supercharger and adjusted electronics and I assume the drive itself would have at least different prop sets. With that said I also found this document out there. It's dated 2017, so I'm thinking this is an older range when they didn't attached the IPS400 drives to an inline 6. In 2017 iit seems they made a smaller displacement IPS400 with a 224ci inline 4 Diesel. I seemed to remember this from when I had my 2006 and when I first read this post that was the IPS 400 that was in my head. I was replying that it was a 4 cylinder and therefore they would be pushing that engine substantially above use with the 20000 lb 42 in my opinion. However, when I searched I found the current info above, and it seems Volvo changed the IPS 400 to a D6 block at some point after 2017. At least that is my take probably to address some of the issues folks are hearing about the IPS 400.
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Post by sgilbert on Feb 12, 2021 18:08:48 GMT -5
Interesting, but other than HP ratings & rpms (which aren't significant!), neither explains the differences between the various IPS drives.
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Post by tc33obx on Feb 15, 2021 9:11:09 GMT -5
My guess is with the new range and all of the IPS units being the D6 block, that the IPS chassis is exactly the same on all those configurations. I think what changes is the gearing used in the IPS internals and prop sets to match the boat configurations and weight. However, that is a guess on my part as I had no proof or documentation that can prove it. If that info is needed, may be worth it to reach out to Volvo Penta directly or talk to a dealer who services them. The people I used when I had my boat were great and may have that info. The company is called OutStanding and they are located in Cecilton Md.
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Post by gofast24 on Feb 17, 2021 11:15:58 GMT -5
Interesting, but other than HP ratings & rpms (which aren't significant!), neither explains the differences between the various IPS drives. To me, the HP ratings are significant? But/ $/HP may be crazy? Also, the difference between a unbalanced (unless it has a integral second order gear driven internal balancer) 4 cyl. and a inline 6 is a big big difference. In line 6 is inherently fully balanced for 2nd/4th/ 6th order free forces and moments. Four cylinder is a vibration PITA if not internally balanced. Sorry, old ME career coming out A 90 degree 4 stroke V-8 same, fully self balanced !
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Post by sgilbert on Feb 17, 2021 12:45:31 GMT -5
Interesting, but other than HP ratings & rpms (which aren't significant!), neither explains the differences between the various IPS drives. When I said "aren't significant", I meant that the differences in the various IPS specs aren't, Not that the ratings and rpm's aren't.
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Post by gofast24 on Feb 19, 2021 11:14:06 GMT -5
Interesting, but other than HP ratings & rpms (which aren't significant!), neither explains the differences between the various IPS drives. When I said "aren't significant", I meant that the differences in the various IPS specs aren't, Not that the ratings and rpm's aren't. OK, simantactics? Gosh, wish I had a decent spell checker! Any suggestions for Win10?
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