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Post by jlas on Feb 20, 2021 14:09:31 GMT -5
Hello All,
I need a little motivational help as I feel I am about to make a big mistake.
I am looking into buying an 06 4460 with VP 8.1L gas motors. We boat on a lake, and most of the time, we would not travel more than 10 NM per day. Some people at the marina believe gas engines for that kind boat might not be adequate.
Thus, I wonder if 8.1s are strong enough to move the boat properly, the cruising speed & RPMs, gas consumption, etc. What things should I look for, and what maintenance questions should I ask. Also, please share any links with this kind of info or about the 4460 in general. I could not see much info out there.
I started looking at 3760, then for a little bit more, 3860, and now the 4460 as the price difference with gas motors is not that huge.
Thanks in advance and I apologize if this topic is overdone.
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Post by nate4060 on Feb 20, 2021 19:54:37 GMT -5
So this is an age old question and everyone is going to have differing opinions. Generally Diesel engines are considered to last longer than gas, considered more reliable and are safer due to the fuel being less flammable. The maintenance cost's are higher (filters, oil, etc) and typically if something breaks on a diesel it is not for a DIY'er unless they have a good working knowledge of diesel engines.
Having said that those 8.1 engines should be sufficient for a 4460. I have a 4060 with 8.1's with IPS drives and have never felt it to be underpowered. In fact we reached 40mph on the sea trial on a calm day. My 4060 has a dry weight of 19,000 and I believe the 4460 was 22,000 so they are of similar weight.
Personally I would not shy away from gas or diesel for casual boating if is the right vessel and of a good condition and price.
Now if you were looking for a loop boat where you are putting on a significant amount of miles and hours I would suggest steering towards diesels.
As far as maintenance questions I would get all the records available and look at them closely; survey, sea trial and oil samples are a must. If you are concerned about handling all you can do is take the vessel on a sea trial to determine how it feels to YOU. Everything else is just other peoples opinions.
Good luck in your search and remember to take the time to enjoy the process!!
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Post by jlas on Feb 20, 2021 21:11:05 GMT -5
Thank you, Nate, for the excellent advice. I completely agree with you. Should I live on the coast or a vast lake, I think diesel is a must for this boat. For my circumstances, I should be ok with gas as long as the 4460 is not underpowered.
I have been looking for specs with gas engines for the Regal, but I must be a terrible researcher as I have not found anything for this model. However, based on yours, I might have to change Models: the 3860/4060 is a gorgeous and FAST boat.
On Sea Ray's websites, I have found similar models to the 4460 providing a cruise speed of 17 Kn ( 3200 RPM), 28 Kn of top speed, and 1/2 per gallon per mile at cruising. I hope someone can confirm this or direct me to the right website.
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Post by hawker63 on Feb 20, 2021 21:24:19 GMT -5
We bought a 2007 4460 almost 1 year ago with the Merc 8.1’s. We have never felt it was underpowered. It was docked in Charleston so we travelled the current river, took it into the Ocean and the ICW. Both cruising at low throttle and running at 3000-3500, it always ran well for us. A bit hard on gas, but it’s 44’...
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Post by jlas on Feb 21, 2021 8:57:24 GMT -5
Thanks Hawker,
I am surprised to see only two Knots difference between cruising and top speed. When you say, it is a bit hard on the gas, do you have any aprox. data on the consumption when cruising?
Also, anything in particular I need to look for the 4460? Overall, It seems like a very solid boat. However, based on Nate's comment in regards to performance, the 4060 seems like an awesome candidate as well.
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Post by partizancudjoe on Feb 21, 2021 11:36:15 GMT -5
Three suggestions: (1) obtain full maintenance records; (2) compression tests and (3) have the oil analyzed.
Growing up, my dad loved the 41 Chris Craft double cabin. He owned two. He knew gas engines pretty well, so he always opted for getting the biggest boat he could stick a pair of gasoline engines on. The 41 Chris Crafts fit his bill perfectly. Those boats were basically floating condos.
The first one came with the Chris Craft 427 gasoline engines. These were marinized versions of a hearty Ford block. The second one had a pair of MerCruiser 454s, which most of you know were marinized GM truck engines. We changed the oil and oil filters religiously. The only problem we ever had was when a fuel dock sold us gas that had a high water content. Other than that, we never had a single problem running gas engines on the 41's.
Performance: You could get it on a plane making just over 16 knots at abut 3000 RPM. The 4 barrels kicked in at about 3200 RPM., and that's when the gas mileage really took a dive. We'd aim to cruise at around 17 knots, which meant 3100 RPM per engine. 90% of our trips were in the upper Keys, but my brother and I took the second one to the Bahamas. Confidence in the engines was never an issue.
If the hours aren't too high, the maintenance records look good and the engines perform, it sounds like this could work for you.
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Post by jlas on Feb 21, 2021 18:48:36 GMT -5
Three suggestions: (1) obtain full maintenance records; (2) compression tests and (3) have the oil analyzed. Growing up, my dad loved the 41 Chris Craft double cabin. He owned two. He knew gas engines pretty well, so he always opted for getting the biggest boat he could stick a pair of gasoline engines on. The 41 Chris Crafts fit his bill perfectly. Those boats were basically floating condos. The first one came with the Chris Craft 427 gasoline engines. These were marinized versions of a hearty Ford block. The second one had a pair of MerCruiser 454s, which most of you know were marinized GM truck engines. We changed the oil and oil filters religiously. The only problem we ever had was when a fuel dock sold us gas that had a high water content. Other than that, we never had a single problem running gas engines on the 41's. Performance: You could get it on a plane making just over 16 knots at abut 3000 RPM. The 4 barrels kicked in at about 3200 RPM., and that's when the gas mileage really took a dive. We'd aim to cruise at around 17 knots, which meant 3100 RPM per engine. 90% of our trips were in the upper Keys, but my brother and I took the second one to the Bahamas. Confidence in the engines was never an issue. If the hours aren't too high, the maintenance records look good and the engines perform, it sounds like this could work for you. Thank you bunches for the info! May I assume you one can get 1/2 mile per gallon at cruising? Not that it will make a difference. I am just curious, as on my last boat (34 footer) I was getting a couple miles per gallon. I have never considered spending this kind of $$ on a boat and I assume it's natural to be nervous; especially, when one consideres it is a 14 year vessel. I still think, however, the 4460 is one of the best values out there in MHO.
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Post by hawker63 on Feb 21, 2021 20:16:35 GMT -5
Regal said we could expect 0.6 mpg. Reality is we are never above 3000 rpm and mostly less than 1500. We didn’t put many hours on the boat due to Covid and waiting for lessons, then grandkids home school, then we wanted new canvas... and then I went back to work and we moved the boat. Expect to get more use next summer as it’s getting bottom painted and repainting the hull to a different color.
We love our 4460, what sold my wife was the bedroom configuration. What sold me was the large hardtop that gives a real feel of security. We bought ours for $151 (less then 300 hrs on motors), but spent a fair bit in new tops, new props, changed all hoses in engine compartment, one cool fuel module and we did all plugs and wire. Then my wife wanted to add the washer/dryer and the galley fridge she couldn’t get clean so we replaced. Hence why I went back to work.... we also swapped out some lights in the hard top, problem with too much time is you can always find a project that’s fun..
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Post by hawker63 on Feb 21, 2021 20:19:49 GMT -5
We looked at the 4060:also. The extra 4’ gives twice the seating in the rear cockpit and we liked the kitchen layout in the 4460. Booth are great boats, I was worried as our previous biggest boat was 26’ so we didn’t want 2 footitis.
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Post by jlas on Feb 21, 2021 23:24:49 GMT -5
Regal said we could expect 0.6 mpg. Reality is we are never above 3000 rpm and mostly less than 1500. We didn’t put many hours on the boat due to Covid and waiting for lessons, then grandkids home school, then we wanted new canvas... and then I went back to work and we moved the boat. Expect to get more use next summer as it’s getting bottom painted and repainting the hull to a different color. We bought ours for $151 (less then 300 hrs on motors), but spent a fair bit in new tops, new props, changed all hoses in engine compartment, one cool fuel module and we did all plugs and wire. Then my wife wanted to add the washer/dryer and the galley fridge she couldn’t get clean so we replaced. Hence why I went back to work.... we also swapped out some lights in the hard top, problem with too much time is you can always find a project that’s fun.. Thanks, Hawker for confirming that! You got the boat at a great price; especially, considering the low hours... I really like it as well. The layout I think is simply perfect and will suit my needs well. I am going to see her next week... so I am very looking forward to this. I probably will need to take some classes as well. We will see... :-)
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Post by partizancudjoe on Feb 22, 2021 2:55:09 GMT -5
jlas:
Our cruising MPG at 3100 RPM was pretty consistently between .6 and .67 MPG. If we put-putted along at 6 to 8 knots we'd see 1.0 to 1.1 MPG.
Another thought: check on the availability of spare parts for your particular version of that engine. With my 7.4 Volvo, which was also sold as the OMC King Cobra I was quite surprised how difficult it became to find spare parts after about the 10 year mark.
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Post by partizancudjoe on Feb 22, 2021 2:57:24 GMT -5
jlas:
Good luck.
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Post by jlas on Feb 22, 2021 9:19:09 GMT -5
jlas: Our cruising MPG at 3100 RPM was pretty consistently between .6 and .67 MPG. If we put-putted along at 6 to 8 knots we'd see 1.0 to 1.1 MPG. Another thought: check on the availability of spare parts for your particular version of that engine. With my 7.4 Volvo, which was also sold as the OMC King Cobra I was quite surprised how difficult it became to find spare parts after about the 10 year mark. It seems that the most efficient speed is at cruising... Right? That is a great observation. I will check on availability of spare parts. I did not think about that. The engines are VP 8.1L. Thanks for all the help and guidance.
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Post by gofast24 on Feb 22, 2021 12:08:47 GMT -5
Thank you, Nate, for the excellent advice. I completely agree with you. Should I live on the coast or a vast lake, I think diesel is a must for this boat. For my circumstances, I should be ok with gas as long as the 4460 is not underpowered. I have been looking for specs with gas engines for the Regal, but I must be a terrible researcher as I have not found anything for this model. However, based on yours, I might have to change Models: the 3860/4060 is a gorgeous and FAST boat. On Sea Ray's websites, I have found similar models to the 4460 providing a cruise speed of 17 Kn ( 3200 RPM), 28 Kn of top speed, and 1/2 per gallon per mile at cruising. I hope someone can confirm this or direct me to the right website. We get 28 knots and for your 10 mile cruises on fresh water lake go with the 4460 gassers. The VP 8.1's are Bullitt proof if you take care of them. We have 1000 hours on ours and nothing but oil and filter changes, sea water impellers, batteries! Manifolds and risers still fine! Get a full survey!!!
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Post by gofast24 on Feb 22, 2021 12:14:22 GMT -5
jlas: Our cruising MPG at 3100 RPM was pretty consistently between .6 and .67 MPG. If we put-putted along at 6 to 8 knots we'd see 1.0 to 1.1 MPG. Another thought: check on the availability of spare parts for your particular version of that engine. With my 7.4 Volvo, which was also sold as the OMC King Cobra I was quite surprised how difficult it became to find spare parts after about the 10 year mark. Pretty sure a 4460 will have inboard V drives? Also, our 20 year old 1000 operating hour 8.1GSiI-A's , no problem with the normal maintenance stuff!
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