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Post by tmuller on Mar 10, 2021 12:28:25 GMT -5
Anyone know if Regal is now installing Helm Master EX on the 36XO?
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Post by rlazar on Mar 10, 2021 12:38:51 GMT -5
Good question. I think I like helm master better than seastar but that’s mostly for triples engines as seastar only utilizes s two while helm master utilizes all three.
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Post by tc33obx on Mar 10, 2021 14:46:45 GMT -5
I know the 425 XTOs have the Helm Master steering included. So I would assume if you get the Joystick, it will be a Helm Master. I don't think there is any other option with the 425XTOs.
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Post by autobahn on Mar 10, 2021 20:45:54 GMT -5
That is a good question. I just ordered my 36 XO a couple of weeks ago. The boat comes standard with a Yamaha joystick. I did not order the autopilot but had planned to add that after delivery to save a few dollars (see my earlier post). I don't know what the EX capabilities are. I've read something about fishpoint, staypoint, driftpoint for the EX system. The joystick on 36XO at the dealer definitely did not have all of those listed so I don't know if that is a feature of the Helmaster EX or just because the boat at the Regal marina also not having autopilot.
Based on the literature I've read, at least the 2021 36 XO seems to just have Helm Master.
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Post by autobahn on Mar 10, 2021 20:52:21 GMT -5
This is the Helm Master EX vs the Helm Master on a 2021 36 XO with Yamaha Twin 425 XTO's   |
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Post by tmuller on Mar 11, 2021 8:54:03 GMT -5
The EX has built in autopilot. You can even set it for speed control using the joystick forward or back when running to change the speed. It's a total redesign by Yamaha instead of the Penta.
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Post by autobahn on Mar 11, 2021 9:30:45 GMT -5
oh, so if it's a true autopilot them Regal would have to alter their options for 2022 or their pricing. The only engine offered is the 425 HP Yamaha due to the flywheel problems with the 350 HP Yamaha. The boat comes with standard digital control joystick. Autopilot is roughly a $6K extra option. So I don't know if Regal will keep the basic Helm Master and Garmin autopilot option or switch to the Helm Master EX with built in autopilot.
Now that you have explained it the choice becomes clearer:
Yamaha Helm Master/Garmin autopilot vs more integrated Yamaha Helm Master EX (with embedded autopilot)
I have asked my local dealer the question about EX. I'm afraid the answer will be they won't know what options will be on the 2022's until closer to June even though they are taking orders now for 2022.
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Post by tmuller on Mar 11, 2021 10:21:11 GMT -5
I'll be at the Regal factory tomorrow and ask. I haven't been able to get an answer from my dealer. I already ordered mine with the Garmin Autopilot. My luck a day after my boat is done, they be standard with the EX. EX has been out since last August.
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Post by rlazar on Mar 11, 2021 11:03:36 GMT -5
So I have TWO autopilots systems on my 38XO. The integrated autopilot that came with my Seastar joystick system and the ADDITIONAL Garmin Autopilot. When I was ordering my boat I found out the Seastar joystick included autopilot so I thought about not spending the extra for the Garmin one. Here is the biggest difference, the Garmin one will follow the magenta route on the GPS while the Seastar one will not. The built in one allows me to set a heading and adjust course with the joystick BUT the Garmin one will actually follow a route. It also has other features like shadow drive. For me it was a no brainier to pay the extra for the Garmin AP. I suspect the Helm Master is similar.
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Post by autobahn on Mar 11, 2021 11:51:02 GMT -5
I'll be at the Regal factory tomorrow and ask. I haven't been able to get an answer from my dealer. I already ordered mine with the Garmin Autopilot. My luck a day after my boat is done, they be standard with the EX. EX has been out since last August. tmuller: When is your 36 XO scheduled for build/delivery? or when did you place your order? From the riazar's response on the 38 XO it may be that the Yamaha HelmMaster plus Garmin autopilot gives you better capability than perhaps the EX would? It sounds like you may be very happy with the Garmin autopilot solution which perhaps is better integrated with the Garmin chart plotter. Not sure. I do know that since I didn't order autopilot from the factory I will need to add it somehow. I'm still assuming it's an easy add on a digital steering system with basically two plug in parts the Garmin course control unit and the Yamaha gateway (https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/599795#inTheBox). My build will start somewhere around Dec 2021 with completion around Feb 2022. |
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Post by rlazar on Mar 11, 2021 12:17:04 GMT -5
I'll be at the Regal factory tomorrow and ask. I haven't been able to get an answer from my dealer. I already ordered mine with the Garmin Autopilot. My luck a day after my boat is done, they be standard with the EX. EX has been out since last August. tmuller: When is your 36 XO scheduled for build/delivery? or when did you place your order? From the riazar's response on the 38 XO it may be that the Yamaha HelmMaster plus Garmin autopilot gives you better capability than perhaps the EX would? It sounds like you may be very happy with the Garmin autopilot solution which perhaps is better integrated with the Garmin chart plotter. Not sure. I do know that since I didn't order autopilot from the factory I will need to add it somehow. I'm still assuming it's an easy add on a digital steering system with basically two plug in parts the Garmin course control unit and the Yamaha gateway (https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/599795#inTheBox). My build will start somewhere around Dec 2021 with completion around Feb 2022. Steve, the Garmin equip you listed is very similar to what I have in my 38XO. Reactor 40 Steer-by-wire standard corepack without GHC20. I also think the Garmin AP requires it own and separate GPS antenna so you may want to look into that. |
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Post by autobahn on Mar 11, 2021 12:56:35 GMT -5
Thanks riazar that actually does confirm that the reactor 40 steer-by-wire with yamahas gateway is probably what I need. I’m curious what engines are on your boat? Is it the triple Yamaha 300’s?
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Post by autobahn on Mar 11, 2021 12:59:53 GMT -5
Also I’m not sure how the gear in chart plotter gets it’s GPS position to display a boats position. I assumed there must be a GPS antenna somewhere for it to work. If so would the antenna information be shared on the NMEA 2000 bus and made available to all devices? Since both the autopilot and the chart plotter are both Garmin maybe they share GPS information?
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Post by rlazar on Mar 11, 2021 13:11:32 GMT -5
Thanks riazar that actually does confirm that the reactor 40 steer-by-wire with yamahas gateway is probably what I need. I’m curious what engines are on your boat? Is it the triple Yamaha 300’s? Yep... triple 300's. Not sure what differences is any would be for your 425's/ Rob |
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Post by rlazar on Mar 11, 2021 13:14:19 GMT -5
Also I’m not sure how the gear in chart plotter gets it’s GPS position to display a boats position. I assumed there must be a GPS antenna somewhere for it to work. If so would the antenna information be shared on the NMEA 2000 bus and made available to all devices? Since both the autopilot and the chart plotter are both Garmin maybe they share GPS information? You can actually call Garmin and ask them... I have found them to usually be pretty helpful. I thought I heard the the Auto Pilot uses/needs to own dedicated GPS atenna but I could be wrong about that. Something about NMEA refresh rate not being good enough. |
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